Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by eagwgw » Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:00 am

I think that's what happened to the doctor - asked to be paid and was got rid of.
I don't get why people would work for free for such a prolonged period. Essentially they are making it easier for Becchetti to continue like this.

I get 'love for the club' but in the longer term it's doing us more harm than good. A mass staff revolt would actually be the most likely thing to force Becchetti's hand now, far more than half the fans refusing to turn up.
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by Bergen » Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:10 am

Adam from LOFT: "There is no guarantee the National League would accept us. "

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/sport/ ... f_Justice/
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by spen666 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:24 am

Exile Canberra Australia wrote:
spen666 wrote:
Exile Canberra Australia wrote:The system should insist he has to attend in person and not with a employee AA and sworn statement.


FB?

But FB is not involved in the proceedings it is a WUP against LOFC LIMITED.

The application is not against FB, he is neither a respondent, nor a party to the proceedings. FB is merely a shareholder in LOFC Holdings Ltd, the holding company who own the majority of the shares in LOFC Ltd


Yeah Spen 666 that why the whole of this board have been spending the last 6 months disecting every word, action, non action, or full stop, the guy does or does not utter.

Go back to your desk in the uk in working time and do some work, before you get your p45.


You still do not understand the difference between personal liability and a limited company do you?

Look at the title of the court case today. FB is not a party to the proceedings at all. He is merely a shareholder ( and possibly an employee 0 of the legal person that is LOFC LIMITED


Remember we have been through this many times before

Limited liability

The basis of limited liability is that all debts incurred by a company are the company's liabilities and are not directly the legal liabilities of the shareholders or of the directors of the company. The company is a separate legal person from its shareholders and the directors. The company incurs debts in the course of its business and only the company is liable for those.

In a company limited by shares, the shareholders' obligation is to pay the company for the shares they have taken in it. Once the shares are fully paid for (and this would usually be the case with a private limited company) no further money is payable by the shareholders.

...

The directors incur no personal liability as all their acts are undertaken as agents for the company.

http://www.companylawclub.co.uk/limited-liability


No matter how much rubbish you post about it being FB personally liable, it doesn't change the fact that LOFC Limited is a separate legal person and is the respondent in this case
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by French polisher » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:34 pm

Spen666.
Do you understand that Limited Companies have "Directors" ?
Who are responsible for the Company? Who are the Directors of LOFC?
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by Blackadder II » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:37 pm

French polisher wrote:Spen666.
Do you understand that Limited Companies have "Directors" ?
Who are responsible for the Company? Who are the Directors of LOFC?

And to go on from Polisher's post are you actually telling us that these "Directors" can do what the hell they like and not be responsible for their actions?
And don't give us this "Limited Company" bollox again.
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by spen666 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:09 pm

French polisher wrote:Spen666.
Do you understand that Limited Companies have "Directors" ?
Who are responsible for the Company? Who are the Directors of LOFC?



The Directors of LOFC Limited were not party to the court action.

The Directors of LOFC are employees of LOFC.

This court action was against LOFC Limited who are a legal person and they alone are responsible for the debts.


There is absolutely no evidence that has been made available that would make the directors or shareholders personally liable for the debts of LOFC Limited
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by spen666 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:13 pm

Blackadder II wrote:
French polisher wrote:Spen666.
Do you understand that Limited Companies have "Directors" ?
Who are responsible for the Company? Who are the Directors of LOFC?

And to go on from Polisher's post are you actually telling us that these "Directors" can do what the hell they like and not be responsible for their actions?
And don't give us this "Limited Company" bollox again.


You may call it "this Limited Company" bollox" , but unfortunately for you it is the law of the land. No amount of ranting on the internet or elsewhere is going to change the legal basis.



What are you suggesting the Directors have done wrong, and who are you suggesting they are liable to.

I repeat the explanation of the law once again for those who did not read it on any of the many times I have previously posted it
Limited liability

The basis of limited liability is that all debts incurred by a company are the company's liabilities and are not directly the legal liabilities of the shareholders or of the directors of the company. The company is a separate legal person from its shareholders and the directors. The company incurs debts in the course of its business and only the company is liable for those.

In a company limited by shares, the shareholders' obligation is to pay the company for the shares they have taken in it. Once the shares are fully paid for (and this would usually be the case with a private limited company) no further money is payable by the shareholders.

...

The directors incur no personal liability as all their acts are undertaken as agents for the company
http://www.companylawclub.co.uk/limited-liability
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by brentmeistergeneral » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:17 pm

brentmeistergeneral wrote:Can today please be about Orient and not about giving airtime or credence to 666 and his trolling drivel

REPEAT
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by LOFC1948 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:21 pm

Smiley Culture wrote:I'd have taken any points deduction given if it meant Becchetti was long gone.


Absolutely this.
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by ChingfordRed » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:29 pm

WasSpike wrote:
ChingfordRed wrote:Orient's PA announcer still hasn't been paid.


I'm struggling to understand why he, and any other unpaid creditors, didn't attach themselves to the WUP.


Makes you wonder, do the remaining creditors all work for Orient and have they been threatened with the sack like the office and admin staff were back in March?

If not why wouldn't you put yourself on the petition as you're almost guaranteed to get your money by a certain date?

Phillip Othen's confirmed he's still not been paid, some matchday staff including stewards haven't been paid for home games going back to the beginning of April, has Simon O'Connor been paid?
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by MVotO » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:32 pm

Just read on Twitter that we owe £400k. To whom i do not know, or whether that is a total sum of many creditors or just a single one.
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by WasSpike » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:35 pm

ChingfordRed wrote:
WasSpike wrote:
ChingfordRed wrote:Orient's PA announcer still hasn't been paid.


I'm struggling to understand why he, and any other unpaid creditors, didn't attach themselves to the WUP.


Makes you wonder, do the remaining creditors all work for Orient and they've been threatened with the sack like the office and admin staff were?

Phillip Othen's confirmed he's still not been paid, some matchday staff including stewards haven't been paid for home games going back to the beginning of April, has Simon O'Connor been paid?



Yeah it looks like it - but it's still very odd.

If Becchetti is still here next year, would you really still want to work for him (for free, since he doesn't bother paying)? If not, then the threat of the sack isn't all that big a deal, you'd think.

If he's sold by then, they he can't carry through with the threat to sack you anyway.

Still doesn't really make any sense NOT doing all you can to get paid for your services - unless you believe that he's still going to be in charge and that you want to carry on working for him while he ignores your invoices. Bizarre.
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by Off The Hook » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:59 pm

WasSpike wrote:
ChingfordRed wrote:
WasSpike wrote:
ChingfordRed wrote:Orient's PA announcer still hasn't been paid.


I'm struggling to understand why he, and any other unpaid creditors, didn't attach themselves to the WUP.


Makes you wonder, do the remaining creditors all work for Orient and they've been threatened with the sack like the office and admin staff were?

Phillip Othen's confirmed he's still not been paid, some matchday staff including stewards haven't been paid for home games going back to the beginning of April, has Simon O'Connor been paid?



Yeah it looks like it - but it's still very odd.

If Becchetti is still here next year, would you really still want to work for him (for free, since he doesn't bother paying)? If not, then the threat of the sack isn't all that big a deal, you'd think.

If he's sold by then, they he can't carry through with the threat to sack you anyway.

Still doesn't really make any sense NOT doing all you can to get paid for your services - unless you believe that he's still going to be in charge and that you want to carry on working for him while he ignores your invoices. Bizarre.


Especially as it seems he's now threatening to launch a WUP of his own. Bizarre indeed.
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by Off The Hook » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:00 pm

Aaah. Unless, of course, he was advised not to latch on to the existing WUP so that a new one could be put into place so as to keep making things difficult for bechetti......
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by WasSpike » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:02 pm

Pricey way to be a pain in the butt. Launching your own WUP ain't cheap, which is why it's nearly always HMRC that do it.
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by spen666 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:05 pm

brentmeistergeneral wrote:
brentmeistergeneral wrote:Can today please be about Orient and not about giving airtime or credence to 666 and his trolling drivel

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So its trolling to correct an inaccurate post by stating the correct legal position?

In that case, I will continue to troll
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by eppinggas » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:21 pm

Fingers crossed he is now in a position to sell - having got rid of the WUP. To carry on now would just be brainless, expensive, stupid, and vindictive.
Probably 50/50 then.
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by Smiley Culture » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:22 pm

spen666 wrote:
brentmeistergeneral wrote:
brentmeistergeneral wrote:Can today please be about Orient and not about giving airtime or credence to 666 and his trolling drivel

REPEAT


So its trolling to correct an inaccurate post by stating the correct legal position?

In that case, I will continue to troll


It's not trolling, it's just nobody gives a flying f***, you repetitive bore.
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by Off The Hook » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:24 pm

WasSpike wrote:Pricey way to be a pain in the butt. Launching your own WUP ain't cheap, which is why it's nearly always HMRC that do it.


Sure. I wasn't suggesting he was really behind it, just that he could be used by others.
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Re: Court (a), Second Leg 12/06/2017

PostPosted by spen666 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:42 pm

Smiley Culture wrote:
spen666 wrote:
brentmeistergeneral wrote:
brentmeistergeneral wrote:Can today please be about Orient and not about giving airtime or credence to 666 and his trolling drivel

REPEAT


So its trolling to correct an inaccurate post by stating the correct legal position?

In that case, I will continue to troll


It's not trolling, it's just nobody gives a flying f***, you repetitive bore.



Well clearly you do at least otherwise you wouldn't take the time to tell me.


I will not apologise or stop correcting false and inaccurate legal positions
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